Sounds good John!  We could schedule a virtual meeting for early May?  
For anyone interested in meeting up f2f, I will be in Boston from Monday 
Apr 11 for a few days for the Bio-IT meeting.

This topic is also relevant to several related activities we are 
pursuing within OpenTox to develop open, public standards; e.g., see a 
couple of recent presentations at:

Insights into an Interoperable Approach to Collaborative Drug Design and 
Predictive Toxicology
http://www.opentox.org/home/documents/presentations/hardyiqpcpresentationfeb2011/view
and
Ontology Development in support of Predictive Toxicology Use Cases & 
Services
http://www.opentox.org/home/documents/presentations/presopentoxebinov2010/view
(With other participants I am currently formulating a joint roadmap 
perspective for public tox ontology development from this workshop.)

Barry

Barry Hardy PhD
Director, Community of Practice & Research Activities
and OpenTox Project Coordinator (www.opentox.org)
Douglas Connect
Baermeggenweg 14
4314 Zeiningen
Switzerland

Am 07.04.2011 12:49, schrieb John Wilbanks:
>
> CC is of course also happy to contribute a talk if that is of interest 
> (hi, Barry, nice to see you on this list). We do know a fair amount 
> about data and licenses too :)
>
>> On Apr 7, 2011 8:50 AM, "Egon Willighagen" 
>> <egon.willighagen at gmail.com <mailto:egon.willighagen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> as some of you know, I recently started working on the ToxBank.net
>> project, which is going to facilitate data analysis in a cluster of
>> six
>> EU FP7 projects called SEURAT-1
>> (http://www.eurtd.com/seurat/kick-off/index.php). I would guess the
>> whole cluster involves in between 200 and 300 scientists. (SEURAT :=
>> Safety Evaluation Ultimately Replacing Animal Testing).
>>
>> In this community too there is a lot of misunderstanding about Open
>> Data. Common issues involve questions like:
>>
>> * do I have to make everything Open?
>> * can someone else make my data Open? (e.g. in the form of: "doesn't
>> the Consortium Agreement disallow me to make data Open from
>> partners?")
>> * what about attribution? "stealing" of data
>>
>> And they generally do not see what advantages it has for them:
>>
>> * more exposure of their work
>> * simplifying collaboration
>>
>> Another aspect is the following. This week I learned that there exist
>> EU laws around toxicology that makes data a commodity, and that
>> companies that measured data, have a legal ownership of that data, so
>> that this has value when materials are sold (seriously!). It is
>> similar to like CO2-emission right markets. It was argued that this is
>> the EU solution to getting industry to do the required safety
>> analysis. At this moment I do not yet have the details on this, but
>> have requested them with the person whom I've spoken with about this.
>> (I'll follow up on this as info comes in.)
>>
>> Clearly, this aspect doesn't make me happy, and EU regulation around
>> these kind of EU projects most certainly do not seem to make the
>> situation around Open Data more clear.
>>
>> Now, there is a serious interest in the Data Analysis Working Group in
>> this SEURAT-1 cluster for a talk on Open Data, and how that works for
>> them when participating in EU projects.
>>
>> Is there someone in the OKFN that could give such a virtual talk /
>> webinar to this public? Being part of the science working group, I
>> know a bit about things, but I am sure there are far more
>> knowledgeable people around.
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing from you,
>>
>> greetings,
>>
>> Egon
>>
>> --
>> Dr E.L. Willighagen
>> Postdoctoral Researcher
>> Institutet för miljömedicin
>> Karolinska Institutet (http://ki.se/imm)
>> Homepage: http://egonw.github.com/
>> LinkedIn: http://se.linkedin.com/in/egonw
>> Blog: http://chem-bla-ics.blogspot.com/
>> PubList: http://www.citeulike.org/user/egonw/tag/papers
>>
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